Excess stuff needs gone. Bought for a system that just did not pan out. So this is a good, bad, and ugly story. One amp is in very good condition, never had any issues, looks very nice, and always played as it should. The other is a bit ugly, much rougher cosmetic condition, does have rack handles, no box or manual. As far as performance of second amp, if it turned on correctly it worked great. It has an intermittent on, 50 times comes right on next time I had to play with the on off switch to get it powered. As I understand these suffer from relay problems which I never really spent any time looking at. I only used these very sparingly.